Skip, 73, who formerly appeared on ESPN’s First Take and FS1’s Undisputed, discussed the pop star with his wife, Ernestine Sclafani Bayless, on the Monday, December 2, episode of his podcast, “The Skip Bayless Show.”

“I know I’m un-American, but I am not a Taylor Swift fan,” Ernestine, 62, said bluntly. Skip quickly agreed, saying, “I don’t get her.”

Ernestine, who married Skip in 2016 after dating the sports commentator 10 years, continued, “She seems like she’s a nice person and she does wonderful things for kids and they all love her and idolize her.”

When it comes to the tunes blasting through their home, however, Ernestine isn’t throwing on The Tortured Poets Department. 

“I’d rather listen to Bonnie Raitt,” she said. In fact, Ernestine argued Swift, 34, partially has Raitt, 75, to thank for crafting her sound. 

“That’s part of where her music came from,” Ernestine said. “It’s very similar.”

Ultimately, Skip boiled the entire conversation down to a question of “hot or not hot?”

“Taylor Swift to me? Not hot,” Skip said, before adding, “But that’s just me. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.”

Ernestine called Swift “a cute girl,” but that’s about as far as the compliments extended. “I know people like her,” Ernestine said, “but she’s not on my turntable.”

Skip cohosted ESPN’s sports debate show First Take alongside Stephen A. Smith from 2012 to 2016, before he left the network and launched FS1’s Undisputed, alongside cohost Shannon Sharpe, in September 2016.